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List of Native American Tribal names used for US Army helicopters
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I thought this list might be useful to some people here, it names Native American tribes and lore used for US Army helicopter types.

Apache------------------------Boeing AH-64 

Apache Longbow-------------Boeing AH-64D

Arapaho-----------------------Bell ARH-70 

Black Hawk-------------------Sikorsky UH-60 

Blackhawk--------------------Sikorsky S-67

Cayuse------------------------Hughes OH-6 

Cheyenne---------------------Lockheed AH-56 

Chickasaw--------------------Sikorsky H-19

Chinook-----------------------Boeing CH-47 

Choctaw----------------------Sikorsky CH-34 

Comanche--------------------Boeing-Sikorsky RAH-66 

Creek-------------------------Bell TH-67

Iroquois----------------------Bell UH-1 

Iroquois Warrior-------------Bell D-255/D-262

Kiowa-------------------------Bell OH-58 

Kiowa Warrior----------------Bell OH-58D

Lakota------------------------Eurocopter/Airbus UH-72

Mojave-----------------------Sikorsky CH-37 

Osage------------------------Hughes TH-55

Pawnee----------------------Hiller VZ-1

Seneca-----------------------Cessna YH-41

Shawnee---------------------Piasecki H-21

Sioux-------------------------Bell H-13

Sioux Scout------------------Bell 207 

Tarhe-------------------------Sikorsky CH-54

Tomahawk--------------------Kaman H-2



-- Edited by Rafale D on Sunday 19th of April 2020 12:50:50 AM



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Thanks!

Quick question though, how does "Huskie," "Raven," and "Pathfinder" fit into the Native American naming system? I wasn't aware that they had significance with that.



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Husky was Alaskan U.S. Air Force, the earlier HOK for the Marines - Army didn't like the non conventional lack of tail rotors ie: training

Piasecki HUP 2 was called the Mule . why? BTHOM.

Pathfinder was a Joint venture NASA Piasecki venture don't think the Army was in on it...

Raven?   A big crow?

 

TH -55 Hughes Osage

TH- 57 Bell  Creek

Brantley B2 was also tested in the Army as was the Cessna Skyhook (Don't know their names)

 



-- Edited by hillberg on Sunday 19th of April 2020 08:42:39 PM

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Huskie or Husky was a very old name of Eskimo people (Inuit tribe I think) before it was a dog breed, no longer used. I agree that it doesn't belong as part of the naming convention since it was never for the US Army but I understand the confusion since it loosely references tribal heritage.

I think Raven and Pathfinder reference the spirit animal lore... The wolf for example was considered the spiritual "pathfinder" but this might be reaching a bit.



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I went and removed the Kaman HH-43 from the list. Pathfinder was also an Army contract after the prototype was tested.



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Pathfinder was a one off test vehicle not a prototype

It was retired after the data was gathered

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to everyone....

1. Piasecki HUP was the navy development of the PV-18, the US army variant was the H-25A Army Mule. It was named that in homage to its comparable duties to a beast of burden and because the larger H-21 was already being considered for service with the company nickname Workhorse, it didnt see army service long enough to receive an Indian tribal name.

2. Piasecki Model 16H was called "Pathfinder" by the company before the army ever expressed interest in it. Model 16H-1A Pathfinder II was developed per the Army/Navy contract for the new compound helicopter programme, but nothing came of any of these plans and none of the designs saw service to earn a tribal name.

3.  "Raven" dates back to early production types of the Hiller OH-23, i dont think it was officially an army name. it was nicknamed "Hiller Killer" by army pilots in training.

4. Cessna YH-41 was called Seneca (civil version was Skyhook) the name derives from one of six N American Iroquois tribes.



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Thanks for the help. I removed Raven and Pathfinder, and added Creek, Osage and Seneca.



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The Pathfinder idea was reintroduced with a H-60 and the tail thruster changed with a directional 'ring' for anti torque - opening for cruise flight
Wings also added and an extra Rolls Royce inline with the t/r (thruster) shaft for extra power
It to went nowhere

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Was that the Speed Hawk X-49 from 2007? I wonder if the research data on that program is what aided in the conceptualization of these new pusher prop designs under development?



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Leela25 wrote:

3.  "Raven" dates back to early production types of the Hiller OH-23, i dont think it was officially an army name. it was nicknamed "Hiller Killer" by army pilots in training.


 My research on the name is telling me otherwise. Not only was it named that by the Army but it looks like the spirit animal theory holds water with this particular entry. In some tribes the raven was believed to be bearer of magic and harbinger of messages from the spiritual realm, and in others it was thought to be a deceiver or a key in the creation of life. Each tribe had a different mythos but it was about as significant as the wolf or eagle.

My guess is that because this was the genesis of the native American naming convention it wasn't decided yet to follow the stricter tradition of using tribal names more often than other types of references, like the Sioux. I could be wrong. I won't lie about my confusion with the system. Why is this a US Army tradition anyway?



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Hi Pepper, the policy AR 70-28 was mandated April 4 1969 requiring Army helicopter types to be named after American Indian tribes, chiefs and folklore. The policy was further clarified in June 18 1976, after the Army launched a public relations campaign to name the UH-60A within the deadline of April 30 1977. It was done to reflect the capabilities of the Indian tribes they were named after, their operational flexibility, endurance, agility, mobility and firepower. Each tribe was usually consulted before using their name and some actually attended ceremonies for the AH-64 and UH-72, in which they were blessed by he tribal elders. Five names are selected with a brief justification of their use and are also checked with the US patent office to determine their eligibility, before the Chief of Research and Development selects one for the Wright-Patterson DOD branch for aeronautics to officially registers it. The policy was discontinued when the DOD directives 4120.15 and 4120.15L were made in 1985 to set the standard of designating modern aircraft, but the tradition is still alive to pay homage to these tribes in the same spirit in which the convention was originally conceived.

Since the Bell 47 was the first to carry an Indian tribe name, the Hiller OH-23 predates the tradition and so "Raven" was not part of it.



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Here is the original form to submit a name for the UH-60A from Army Aviation Digest March 1977

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hillberg wrote:

The Pathfinder idea was reintroduced with a H-60 and the tail thruster changed with a directional 'ring' for anti torque - opening for cruise flight
Wings also added and an extra Rolls Royce inline with the t/r (thruster) shaft for extra power
It to went nowhere


 It was planned for Phase 2 trials but the X-49A never received the Rolls-Royce SPU like it was announced back in 2006. It only flew with the original APU and two GE T700-GE-701Cs during VTDP trials.



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Sad they must of run out of $$$$$ interesting project



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one of my faves behind the Speed Apache concept :)

Actually Phase 2 was green lit in 2010 i think and they still planned on using an upgraded SPU. The concept was among several options for VTDP modded designs submitted to the FVL programme around 2013 but was dropped when it became JMR-TD, no news since. I guess the project is more or less comatose rather than dead.



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We can all dream.

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